03/18 - Moving on up Monday!

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  1. ChrisTurk

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    In this case? The data.

    Using bonus deception as part of a study is unfair to workers. It completely negates their ability to properly prioritize work and it's unfair. As far as the power dynamics go, the requesters have the ability to rectify this in their studies, workers have zero way of avoiding it other than review platforms so requesters are going to take the L as far as TV is concerned. If it's study breaking, they can recognize TV (& TO) exists, that worker communication channels exist, and structure their study around that publicly available information.
     
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  2. A6_Foul_Out

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    this pretty much.

    the need to know if work is worth doing outweighs survey content like @ChrisTurk said, if they want a better solution get irbs off their asses and create standards

    [citation everything written in the past 7 years] pretty much
     
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  7. Calyrica

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    Thanks. I put the bonus in the review. I've seen worse bonus deception, but this one was actually substantial in tripling the pay and I felt it was important to disclose that.
     
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    For sure!! Gotta let those neighbors know whats up.
     
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    I think she meant "you were supposed to get 10 cents bonus based on your decision, but we will bonus everyone $1" situation.

    Also using deception is a huge deal in most of the sciences; you have to do it to get a data that you can use. BUT if you are an economist, you cannot use deception in your studies/experiments.
     
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  13. ChrisTurk

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    Yes, which is why when it isn't material to a worker's livelihood I'm happy to tell folks not to include it in their reviews.

    But the amount rewarded for time spent on a task is a good place to draw the line for TV, IMO. Which is probably why economists aren't supposed to do it in the first place :p
    I've seen academics on twitter claim this as well but I think we've all done a study or two where the bonus was "forgotten about" - especially on the longer lived "would you rather have X now or Y in 3mo" studies :emoji_sweat_smile:
     
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  14. awdrf

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    Yeah, he responded pretty quickly to my email questioning it. Glad they honored the title.
     
  15. Calyrica

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    I feel like in this case the HIT base being under $1 might actually cause it to not be on some peoples' radars when it really should be. And I wanted to be fair to the requester who is super awesome about being fair to both those who took his/her study seriously and those who took a lot of extra time and went against the rules to guarantee they got the bonus. (Which I think is what he/she was probably testing.)
     
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  17. Calyrica

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    To be fair, I'd never say anything about the deception if it didn't affect the hourly, but just because this isn't my bread and butter doesn't mean it's not someone else's and I want to make sure I'm as honest as possible to help them out.
     
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  19. Calyrica

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    I'm honestly surprised. I thought it was adequate for the time spent as it was and just a simple typo. Nice to see some integrity still exists.
     
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